tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post3508558439028651712..comments2024-03-27T08:28:59.312-05:00Comments on Brennan's Pen: Alcohol 2 - Where Does the Weight Lie?Tom Brennanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07852945471625701378noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-29006219759105282672015-05-21T11:15:08.782-05:002015-05-21T11:15:08.782-05:00Okay, so far this year: Money, Music, and Alcohol....Okay, so far this year: Money, Music, and Alcohol.<br /><br /><br />....and a scale that doesn't make any sense. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-22612018182731082372015-05-20T14:02:15.871-05:002015-05-20T14:02:15.871-05:00He seems not to respond when challenged with scrip...He seems not to respond when challenged with scripture. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-90677559348777578812015-05-20T13:36:52.943-05:002015-05-20T13:36:52.943-05:00It is just another way of explaining the larger co...It is just another way of explaining the larger context. As you know, context is one of the most important elements of hermeneutics but the context of a passage is not just immediate. It is parenthetical. By that I mean the context expands out in ever larger brackets. The context of a word is the phrase, of the phrase is the sentence, of the sentence is the passage, of the passage is the book, etc. But beyond even the book there is the larger context of what God means about a certain subject as revealed in the entirety of Scripture. Thus, if I want to know what 'love' means in a particular verse I need to examine it through the light of all of those contexts. Weight is simply another way of saying the entire Bible context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-49966256438770425712015-05-20T13:29:01.637-05:002015-05-20T13:29:01.637-05:00I'd really like to hear an explanation to this...I'd really like to hear an explanation to this. I'm not familiar with the "hermeneutic of weight", but I'm sure that it could be said a different way somewhere? Maybe? Where does it stand within the rest of hermenuetical principles? Will Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13370684171444363147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-37566825590411318252015-05-20T12:47:48.447-05:002015-05-20T12:47:48.447-05:00You have been subjected to scrutiny based upon YOU...You have been subjected to scrutiny based upon YOUR methods of interpretation. I'm not certain you have a right to be offended.<br /><br />And if you, puny human among myriad puny humans, are offended at being subjected to your methods, may God himself--the creator of all there ever will be, the just and righteous one--may God himself not be offended at your methods?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-63717082686176947612015-05-20T08:10:11.139-05:002015-05-20T08:10:11.139-05:00 ...you might want to start here, read the followi... ...you might want to start here, read the following 172 posts, and then get back to me.<br /><br />http://concerningjesus.blogspot.com/2014/01/concerning-jesus.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-30540965970020163992015-05-19T21:30:34.592-05:002015-05-19T21:30:34.592-05:00We Preach Christ blog by Tom Brennan. After invest...We Preach Christ blog by Tom Brennan. After investigating the blog, I must ask the question, "Does Tom Brennan preach Christ?"<br /><br />The whole point of studying Tom Brennan's blog is to discover what Tom Brennan said and thinks. Sometimes, he seems to say several different things about the same concept. So I pile them up. I place them on an imaginary scale in my mind to see where the weight is. What does Tom Brennan seem to say most often about this subject? Where is his emphasis?<br /><br />When I first began study what Tom Brennan says about Christ I used this method. I gathered all the mentions of Him and began to sort them into piles. Many of those mentions have no specific contextual basis of good or bad. I set those aside into their own pile. Some of the remaining mentions have a contextual basis of good. A large number of those with a contextual basis of good are prefaced with the word Hyles as in "Hyles said this."<br /><br />So which is it? Does Tom Brennan preach Christ or not?<br /><br />My first attempt to answer that question came by trying to determine on which side the weight came down. In other words, with the remaining mentions in Tom Brennan's blog - setting aside those without a larger explanatory context and setting aside those with a direct explanatory link to Hyles - when I put them on the scale, did the scale tilt negative or positive?<br /><br />The answer is clearly negative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-48667577115022773732015-05-19T10:53:50.419-05:002015-05-19T10:53:50.419-05:00If one is to use this new "Hermeneutic of Wei...If one is to use this new "Hermeneutic of Weight" fairly and across-the-board then one would have to give up the Baptist doctrine that baptism does nothing and would have to come to the Lutheran understanding that Baptism actually does something, after all there are many more Scriptures that point to Baptism being something rather than the zero Scriptures to point to Baptism being like a wedding ring.<br /><br />Shall we fair with this new tool, this hermeneutic of weight?Borg+https://www.blogger.com/profile/05773426950591277304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-36169536011566746712015-05-18T18:20:21.507-05:002015-05-18T18:20:21.507-05:00Wait a minute... Are you saying that wine found in...Wait a minute... Are you saying that wine found in the Bible is grape juice? That's the only other interpretation I've ever heard people give for wine besides it being alcohol. If so, I'm really confused now! How does grape juice bring about these 6 negative things you mention? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-56403288766337727452015-05-18T17:32:36.895-05:002015-05-18T17:32:36.895-05:00And eventually, your logic is going to break down....And eventually, your logic is going to break down. Telling deacons and pastors to not be given to "grape juice" or "much grape juice" isn't reasonable. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-3025363075429421862015-05-18T17:24:10.218-05:002015-05-18T17:24:10.218-05:00Your interpretation of these Scriptures always sta...Your interpretation of these Scriptures always starts with the assumption that alcoholic wine is bad and should be avoided as sin. God says it is good. One of you is wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-50670589590912778152015-05-18T16:51:51.012-05:002015-05-18T16:51:51.012-05:00And just so you know, Tom, Will wasn't "a...And just so you know, Tom, Will wasn't "attacking" your wife the other day. He was encouraging her.<br /><br />I hope the difference can be distinguished a little bit better on your blog. . .Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14408998167492102593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-39683427244181094192015-05-18T16:49:55.060-05:002015-05-18T16:49:55.060-05:00Sex is good within the confines of marriage, bad o...Sex is good within the confines of marriage, bad outside of it. Wine is not the same comparison for the simple reason that it isn't a good beverage used one way and a bad beverage used another. It is two different beverages.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-78825278980122009642015-05-18T16:48:01.312-05:002015-05-18T16:48:01.312-05:00My logic is not yet complete. I do not believe God...My logic is not yet complete. I do not believe God was in error to give us wine. But perhaps we are in error in what we assume to be wine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-89328306702248889722015-05-18T16:47:19.439-05:002015-05-18T16:47:19.439-05:00FTR, don't have any plans to delete posts unle...FTR, don't have any plans to delete posts unless they attack my family or use foul language. Other than that, type away...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-41844229925553048062015-05-18T16:46:32.467-05:002015-05-18T16:46:32.467-05:00You are right. That was a bit of a cheap shot. I a...You are right. That was a bit of a cheap shot. I apologize.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-38525844143331552152015-05-18T15:22:26.171-05:002015-05-18T15:22:26.171-05:00True...there are many more verses against sex than...True...there are many more verses against sex than for it. Put that on your scale (that God doesn't use, BTW).JoAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11770493017810595441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-67973479255504807692015-05-18T15:20:09.283-05:002015-05-18T15:20:09.283-05:00Oh dear. You win. My error negates the fact that y...Oh dear. You win. My error negates the fact that you rewrote what the author of the passage wrote.<br /><br />I suppose it all comes from weighing things.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-26077064608387735712015-05-18T15:19:12.221-05:002015-05-18T15:19:12.221-05:00Wow, that was a very good point!Wow, that was a very good point!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-11279639701227351402015-05-18T15:13:50.989-05:002015-05-18T15:13:50.989-05:00If one did the same kind of study with all the pas...If one did the same kind of study with all the passages about sex, one might come to similar conclusions. It shouldn't be a matter of weight; it should be a matter of context. Sex is a gift from God and when used in the context of marriage is right and proper and a blessing. Sex can be and is widely abused leading to all manner of sin and heartache. Similarly, wine is a gift from God and is a blessing when used rightly. It leads to all manner of sin and heartache when abused. <br /><br />How about money? Can money be abused and lead to sin? Or food? Can food be abused and lead to sin? Entertainment? Card games?<br /><br />None of these is wrong in and of themselves. It is what we do with them that matters. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-25603895671546655522015-05-18T15:08:27.835-05:002015-05-18T15:08:27.835-05:00I would like to go on record as agreeing with this...I would like to go on record as agreeing with this Anonymous post before it is deleted. =DAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14408998167492102593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-15348869344818096322015-05-18T14:58:21.315-05:002015-05-18T14:58:21.315-05:00Isaiah 5:20-21
Woe to those who call evil good an...Isaiah 5:20-21 <br />Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness, who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own opinion and clever in their own sight.<br />By your logic, God was wrong to give wine as a gift because it leads to our demise which then implies that God tempts us with evil. I thought these blogs about alcohol were going to be unbiased and strictly pointing out what God says in His word about the matter. So far, you've given us one side only to suit your opinion only. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-78225278556929814162015-05-18T14:36:20.891-05:002015-05-18T14:36:20.891-05:00Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before h...Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, It is folly and shame unto him.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-28327241126299253362015-05-18T14:24:34.442-05:002015-05-18T14:24:34.442-05:00Oh, sorry, my font is too small. I should say you ...Oh, sorry, my font is too small. I should say you did a good job negating what the author said. You did actually include it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2550425372402510047.post-32489317053298637542015-05-18T14:19:36.507-05:002015-05-18T14:19:36.507-05:00The author of Proverbs 23:29 answered his own ques...The author of Proverbs 23:29 answered his own question in verse 30. Too bad you didn't include his answer because the author's own answer is very important to the debate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com