Standards 19
In today’s post, I am
going to briefly address a wide range of objections to that most objectionable
of standards, that women should not wear pants. As you read, keep in mind two
things please. First, I have already written eighteen posts and 28,000 words on
this subject looking at it from a variety of angles. That is a lot of context.
If you are coming to this post without reading the others please do not fault
me for brevity. Feel free to read the links I attach, or even begin at the
start of this series and read it all. Secondly, if you have a genuine question
about something I say here I will do my best to answer that question, either on
social media or in the blog comments below. Failing that, I will even set up a
phone appointment with you if you so desire. There is nuance here, and though
this post cannot portray that nuance for space reasons it helps to remember that.
1) “These are women’s pants.”
And you know that how?
Because the tag says it? That is sort of like the evolutionist who insists
geology proves the Earth is billions of years old. Asserting something does not
make it so. Additionally, by definition, the only way a woman’s pair of pants can
be differentiated from a men’s pair is by drawing attention to a woman’s
form/shape. Even if somehow that helped you skate by the principle of gender identity it would force you to violate the principle of modesty. Either the pants are not distinct in relation to gender or they are immodest;
they cannot be both at the same time.
2) “There is no specific biblical instruction that a woman should not
wear pants.”
I dealt with that at
length in discussing the concept of biblical principle.
3) “Whatever you write doesn’t matter; I’m just not convicted about
it.”
I respect that. For
what it is worth, I am not trying to convict anyone. I am trying to explain the
Word of God. It is the Spirit’s job to convict, not mine. Having said that,
your lack of conviction is not an indication that a certain teaching or
position is unscriptural. That is true generally about everything. Something
may be entirely scriptural but I may not feel any conviction at the moment
because I am carnal, or because the Spirit has chosen to emphasize something
else in my life at the moment. Either way, a lack of felt conviction is a lousy
yardstick for whether something is right or wrong.
4) “I have peace about wearing pants.”
This is a similar
objection to the one above. The lack of being troubled about something is not
an indication that God approves of it. We must ever remember Jeremiah 17.9.
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know
it? Personal validation supported by an internally derived feeling is not
totally invalid, but it is certainly low on the list of supports. Further, I
would argue it is dangerous as a primary support.
5) “We have thought it through carefully, and we are going to allow
pants now. But we will only allow modest pants.”
My wife and I have had
this conversation with our own daughter. Why is it that when a formerly
conservative independent Baptist family gives up the pants standards it seems
to go entirely the opposite direction rather quickly? If they gave up, accepted
pants, and wore the (relatively) modest old-lady pants (forgive me, I am sure
there is a better term here) I could almost live with that. But they do not. In
my experience, never. They say the pants are going to be modest, but
inevitably, in a few years, the tight jeans, the yoga pants, and the short
shorts show up, if not in the first generation then in the next one.
When you tear the fence down you are not going to hold your family or your church back. You just will
not.
6) “I only wear pants to work.”
Why? Is something wrong with them? If there is not anything wrong with them, then wear them everywhere. If there is something wrong with them, then you should not wear them to work either.
“But I cannot do my job in a
skirt or a dress. They will not allow it.”
Are you sure? Somehow,
the Muslims seem to be able to fight for their religious-based clothing
convictions on the job but we cannot? And if you are right, I would gently
encourage you to revisit your priority order. Years ago, I gave up two good
career opportunities because church came first. I have never regretted a moment
of it. Put the Lord first. He honors those who honor Him.
7) “Pants are more comfortable.”
Nudity is even more
comfortable, I bet.
8) “You are wrong; pants as an item of clothing do not belong
exclusively to the male gender. That ship has sailed.”
Put simply, I believe
God disagrees with you.
9) “Well, you have to admit, pants are more modest for certain
activities. I mean, can you imagine rock climbing at the mall in a dress?”
This is as backwards as
the argument that you need to wear them for work. Start with the Bible, and
make life decisions from that starting point. In this context, what should I or
should I not wear according to God’s Word. Now, in relation to activities, what
does that rule in and what does that rule out?
10) “Say what you want, I don’t have to answer to a man for what I
wear.”
That makes two of us,
sister. I do not either. But we both have to answer to God.
11) “That’s Old Testament stuff and we’re under grace now.”
I dealt with this at
length in both my book on sanctification, Freed From Sin. Simply put,
that is not what “under grace” means.
12) “Yes, I wear pants. I am free from the bondage of legalism now.”
To quote “The Princess
Bride”… You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
13) “It’s just not as important as you make it out to be.”
If it is not that
important to you then why not just give in? If it is not that important to God,
why did He classify with issues such as idolatry, prostitution, deception in
business, stubborn rebellion, lying, evil thoughts, and pride? All of these,
along with wearing clothing that identifies you as the opposite gender, He
terms as abominations.
Should you choose what
is important in your life or should God choose?
14) “Everybody knows that men and women wore the same robes in the
Bible.”
Pants are mentioned
five times in Scripture. All five specifically reference men. Modest apparel
in the passage directed toward women specifically in the original language
implies a long, flowing garment that has been let down. Yes, they both wore
items we would call robes or tunics but they were distinct for each gender, and
only men were told to tie up those robes around their waist thus forming a
pants-like garment. Gird up thy loins now like a man (Job 40.7).
There are a whole lot
of women girding up their loins like a man these days.
15) “I can’t wear a skirt or a dress and stay warm.”
I have already
mentioned that Scripture should drive our choices. If you cannot do an activity
and stay warm in a skirt then choose a different activity. Further, I would argue that
most of the time you can. Hose, leggings, etc. can be worn underneath a long,
flowing garment and these can help to keep you warm.
The choice is not “Wear
a skirt and freeze to death obeying God.” That is a strawman.
16) “Well, my pants are more modest than So-and-so’s skirts and
dresses.”
You are almost
certainly correct. I do not mean to imply that all skirts and dresses are
modest. Short ones are not. Slit ones are not. Tight ones are not. See-through
or clingy ones are not either. But I would argue that your pants are not more
modest than modest skirts and dresses. A pair of pants may be fairly modest but
still violate the gender identity principle. A modest skirt or dress abides by both.
17) “God doesn’t care about how I look; He only cares about my heart.”
18) “You should just stick with teaching the Bible and let the Holy
Spirit convict people how He wants.”
On the surface, I do
not disagree with that statement. My role in teaching, preaching, or writing is
not to bring conviction, but to explain and apply the Word of God. But that
latter word there – apply – is absolutely biblical. Teaching that only informs
and never applies that information to real life is not somehow magically more
spiritual. I would argue it is less so, actually. I can show you numerous
examples in the Word of God of men teaching and preaching, then bringing
specific real world application, and urging people to do something about it.
We should strive to explain
the biblical teaching on a subject, but doing so properly does not prevent us
from applying it. Far from it.
19) “Dress standards just breed pride. The Pharisees. Hello?”
I agree that high
standards can breed pride. Further, I would argue that every spiritual activity
can breed pride. If it can be done by mortals it can breed pride. Which, for
the record, is zero indication of whether such an action or position is a
biblical one. Pride is sin whether it is pride in athletic accomplishment,
crime, intellectual attainment, soul winning, or dress standards.
The presence of pride
is always wrong, but its presence does not by itself tell us a position or
action is incorrect.
20) “You don’t understand, Pastor Brennan. If I require that standard
of my daughters they will rebel against me.”
Then they already have.
God said of Abraham, I know him, that he will command his children and his
household after him (Genesis 18.19). If you have no confidence that your
commands to your children will be obeyed you have already lost their heart. I
would argue the way to get it back is not to give in. One of the great failures
of parenting is the failure to be more stubborn about something than your
children are.
This argument almost
certainly requires a tailored, careful response, but seek for that wisdom. Do
not throw in the towel.
21) “I’m an older woman; ain’t no man going to lust after me.”
It is about more than
lust; it is about a public embrace of gender identity too.
Additionally, your actions set an example for younger women. As I
write this, I am sitting on my parents porch. I have been able to spend the
last week or so with them. Just yesterday, we celebrated their 60th
wedding anniversary. I was talking to my mother yesterday about people we both
love who are living contrary to what she and my father taught me. I said, “Mom,
your life shouts.” And it does. The godly life she and my father have chosen to
live, in all seasons, decade after decade, well into old age, is an undeniable
witness. For all she is silent, her life is a megaphone of holiness.
There is something preciously priceless in that.
22) “What will the lost think when they hear you emphasize such quaint
notions?”
Probably that I am
ridiculous. Which is the same thing they think when I preach about marriage and
sexuality and gender and complementarianism and creationism and a hundred other
things. But they are still in the Bible and I am still going to preach them.
The lost of this world
are blinded to the truth. Tailoring your message so as not to offend them is
practically useless and spiritually dangerous.
23) “Who are you to judge?”
The phrase judge not
that ye be not judged may be the most misunderstood and misapplied phrase
in the entire Bible. I wrote about that at length in my book on the Sermon on the Mount, The Greatest Sermon Ever Preached.
24) “Well, Paul said all things are lawful. So get off my case.”
Hermeneutics, the
science of interpreting scripture, has one major point of emphasis. Context.
And context expands out in brackets. That statement by Paul cannot mean that
literally anything is lawful. Such a position would violate a multitude of
other biblical admonitions. No, Paul said that anything on the right side of
God’s law was acceptable. Put another way round, anything lawful is lawful, but
not anything is lawful.
Unlawful things are still unlawful. The expanded context of biblical
revelation demands this.
Well said! To your point #15, we found it entirely possible for my wife and six daughters to dress modestly AND warmly while living in the Canadian Arctic (-40F winters) for several years. Many men, even good men, offered a free pass / excuse to our family to give up this standard given where we lived. But, I agree with your post(s), that God's Word did not. Did any of them freeze? No. Did any of them make an impact for Christ? All of them. Would I do it again all over? In a heartbeat! -- Thad Peacock
ReplyDeleteI was sexually abused for a long period as a child. When I became an adult and pants became the fashion I wore them mainly because I felt more protected, less naked in pants than with a dress. When I first heard about God's ideas about pants on women, I was very surprised. And afraid a bit as I did not know if I could live again with the feeling of being unprotected. My Pastor's wife told me she also had been abused as a child and for a long time she would wear shorts under her dress. I did the same. After several years, I realized I did not need them any more. For the last ten years or so, I have been wearing dresses and skirts and I feel safe. I think that the Lord rewarded my obedience with removing this feeling of insecurity. But I have to tell you that I have heard from other women - one a close friend - that they feel more protected with pants.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your transparency here. The Lord has taught you to find peace and contentment in obeying Him. I think that is a wonderful testimony.
DeleteThanks so much! Thanks for writing it.
ReplyDeleteYour work is EXCELLENT!!!!! God Bless!!!!
ReplyDelete#14
ReplyDeleteProverbs 31:17
She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
(Description of the virtuous woman)
Exodus 12:11
And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD’s Passover.
(Instructions to the congregation of Israel)
You may consider doing simple word searches in e-Sword before making 100 percent statements that aren’t true. (FYI, David Cloud needs a lot of fact checking, you can’t just repeat all of his statements😉)
This is why the younger generation is leaving- the intellectual dishonesty that is present in people who twist what God said, misrepresent history, and then malign the character of people who don’t agree (all while spouting what you were taught from men who are documented adulterers, child molesters, and liars) is sickening.
Praying you and your sweet family learn Christ and step away from an idolized time period. Remember what happened to the dinosaurs. I’d hate for that to be your story.
In Christ there is abundant life!! 😊
-Jack S.
Jack,
DeletePro 31 is obviously speaking metaphorically. Exodus 12 cannot be taken as an instruction to/about women.
I don't think my position is intellectually dishonest. I don't just repeat Cloud's statements. I don't spout what I was taught from child molesters, unless you classify my aging, godly parents as such. I'm not living in an idolized time period; I'm trying to be obedient.
...and, for what it is worth, your approach to discussing an issue with a sincere (though not perfect) brother in Christ such as myself is nauseating. I don't mind disagreement. Welcome it, in fact. But the smug arrogance, assumption, and vicious attack in your comment speak much to your failure to apprehend the grace of Christ.
May the Lord lead you to Himself in time.
😂Whoa there! I was definitely not directing any accusations towards your parents when they were young or now that they are old. I’m sure they also felt sick when they realized that the “men of God” that ran the institution that they sent their bright young son to learn from were not “men of God” at all. At that point they would’ve already been heavily influenced by the messages and writings of Hyles and others like him.
ReplyDeleteWhy would God reference girding the loins in, of all things, His description of a virtuous woman? Especially, if He intended His statement to Job to actually mean that “since the beginning of time women weren’t and aren’t allowed to wear a divided garment”? That would be inconsistent to then include that phrase in a description of a woman to emulate. Furthermore, wouldn’t a plain reading be that He was telling Job to “man up” and give Him an answer. It wasn’t intended to be prescription for women’s clothing. How do you apply the divided garment prohibition to coulottes or the boy’s/men’s shorts that many IFB women wear now that coulottes are hard to come by? (Sorry if I spelled coulottes incorrectly) Getting a prescription for clothing for the rest of time from a figurative expression in Job isn’t good Bible exposition. What would lead you to use a figurative expression in Job as support for your argument, but then say that the figurative expression in Proverbs 31 has nothing to teach us about clothing?
Sorry to come across as smug. One day, when we meet at a certain event for ministry leaders in Nevada, 😉 we should get along well considering we both come across as smug and sarcastic.
Blessings,
Jack S.